New life

A (Party Leader):

“If abortion is wrong depends on the attitude that gave the baby. If it wasn't an attitude of giving, and this was forced on the womb, then the fetus is not a given. However, that's not the full picture, because it also depends on the attitude of the womb-mother. If the fetus is a given to her mind, then, it is. If the fetus is not a given to neither the womb-mother nor the male, then the fetus may be disposed of before it has developed organs - before 10 weeks, ideally, unless in the case of danger to the female.

The female should know that sex is to be of giving, and therefore a baby is a given, and sex not of giving, but of taking, must be reported so that a pregnancy can be acted upon.

If the new life is a given, in the case of love or free sex, then it is a natural given and therefore is deserving of the protection of innocence like any other being.”

C:

“Geez dude, is it killing or not”

A:

“Of course it's killing

It's always killing

That's obvious

[2] That's not what the abortion debate is about”

C:

[1] “You know, like, killing a person, I was going to say murder but that just invites "murder is whatever is illegal 🤪"”

K:

“you'd be surprised by some pro choicers”

A responding to [1]:

“After 12 weeks, I think it is killing a person yes. 

Before 10 weeks, it is killing, but not killing a person.”

C:

“So you think it's ok to kill someone just because they're a product of rape?”

A:

“Only if they are an unborn danger to the life of the mother who doesn't love/accept said unborn”

K:

“Swiss quick question a case were both parents conceived it without planning and neither accept the fetus does it count as not given”

A: “It is given

Basically the point is to not reward rape too much"

K: "I'm honestly surprised that more couples don't just track the menstrual cycle lol"

C responding to [2]: "It is in my opinion.  That's what your typical pro-lifer and pro-choicer disagree on.  Is it 'alive' immediately or after 3 months or 6."

A: "I think you mean:

Is it "a life" or not, meaningfully."

C: "I'm not really sure how to phrase it."

J: "I'm p sure that's standard here

Killing the rape babies or the ones that'll kill the mom is still murder if you're consistent."

If a pregnancy stops for a reason other than birth beginning, the state must know what went wrong. What went wrong could have happened before or during the pregnancy. If what went wrong was easily avoidable, then what went wrong was someone's attitude.

Although, genetically, a fertilised egg is more or less completely a human, it has not materialised as a human. It's a good part of the way to being a human. A fertilised egg can be considered half a human or half of what makes a human.

When it has developed into looking like potentially a little baby alien, say, larger than an eyeball and maybe like the size of an adult nose, then at that point you quite quickly visually recognise it as a lifeform, and therefore it's fully human, albeit in an early developmental stage.

So, after ten weeks of pregnancy, consider the thing a human, as worthy of the legal protection of innocence as humans generally.

A fertilised human egg is just as “human” as sperm or unfertilised eggs, but obviously much closer to being “a human” than either. It has genetic individuality.

It is because you can clearly see it has developed physical humanity in addition to its genetic humanity that you consider it a human.

Johns Hopkins Medicine:

“The fetus is most vulnerable during the first 12 weeks. During this period of time, all of the major organs and body systems are forming and can be damaged if the fetus is exposed to drugs, infectious agents, radiation, certain medications, tobacco and toxic substances.”